Dat face tho.
Question: in the last panel, were you guys going for a perspective shot of Iki or….? Because the whole thing is bugging me. Danke! :3
I don’t like Iki’s expression in the last panel.
are you kidding, is beautiful xD
love the face in the final panel XDD, just, beautiful! :3
My brain replaced “want” with “need” and now all I can see is the face of an Iki that desperately needs to pee.
there you have :v
The Face xD
for some reason, that last panel is creeping me out .____.
needless to say, i love how you’re approaching this.
makes me wonder how Raigho will go on about the ~legends~ and how will Iki react to it.
yall stop making fun of the art wtf you guys
If you’re talking about the comment further down that has a snapshot edit of it, then that’s been happening on every page for years. No one’s making fun of it.
You must be new here.
Two years later…. Page one of Off White 2
As awkward as Iki looks in the last panel I find it very fitting for the mood. Really makes you feel the uncomfortable emotions Raigho must be feeling, looking at that expression.
I really like the last panel, brings out what he’s feeling.
Gosh, I’m so torn on Iki’s face in the last panel. The concept of the expression really shows how desperate he is, and that’s great, but I can’t help but feel like it could’ve been executed in a different way.
It’s as you chose to rewrite the story instead of making better drawn comic pages… Just like trying to do a genocide run after a pacifist run in Undertale. Iki’s going genocide 😀
Translation: I’m so butthurt because the authors are ‘changing’ the story. How dare they!
Oh thank G-d some one who is familiar in the stupid commenter language. Thank you for translating! XD
What’s this comment supposed to mean?
And why is this one Genocide in particular?
Just curious. :s
What the fuck are you talking about?………I think you had a genocide on your brain cells with LSDumb because you made no sense. I could understand a cat better than that comment.
Iki’s face in the last panel looks kind of…stretchy? I guess? But eh. I’m not complaining much. A new page! YAY~!
Being an artist is hard. Sometimes things go all derp on you, that only means that you are settling into your style more and once you do, your art is even better for it. This is a good thing that their art is different, its not a bad thing.
Iki is really changing as a character. I don’t know if it’ll make a good change or a bad one in the future.
tired+angry+confused+lack of trust for perent=teenage boy.
You do realize you’ll have to do one for Isa when the time comes, right?
The stereotypical overly emotional teenage girl? Oooh, yes.
My Calc teacher dreads that day when her daughter becomes teen. XD
(Mostly because she lies a lot and some other behaviors)
Hmm, I was thinking based on the edits on her character. She still seems bottled up, imo.
“Why doesn’t anyone understand meeeeeee?!”
Can you imagine Iki as a punk listening to Green Day in the back of the van whe the rest of his “family” complain about the road trip no body wanted to go on?
You guys know how dog’s snouts look kinda funny and exaggerated when they’re sniffing the camera? That’s technically what’s going on right now. We’re seeing this /almost/ from Raigho’s point of view, so I’m actually not that bothered by it.
On another note, I can’t help but wonder if Iki’s starting to tear up a little D: Poor guy’s had enough.
To be fair, not every perspective is going to be flattering. Record yourself moving your head around and making different expressions, then go back and pause at random times. It’s awkward, but the anatomy seems fine (and details gorgeous as always).
The only thing that got my attention was his canine tooth that seems to be missing.
Loving the background though of the last panel, that looks great~
The tooth. Just when we were giving Akreon compliments on the teeth. XD
Yeah, that’s the only thing that seems to be off considering Skoll and Hati’s teeth are so big, they usually poke out a bit. xD But still admiring everything else. Typo’d and meant first panel background is gorgeous, with blurry Raigho~
You’re right. At certain angles anything can look odd.
someone wasn’t using his SkollGate
omg if only that was a real thing XD
This is why I fail at perspective drawing. It looks funny so I think I made a mistake. ;3;
Ah yeah, hate that too x___x probably the media’s fault, always showing perfect angles. At least cartoons are usually better about that. P:
I know the struggle.
Aand me being derp, I hadn’t thought of the implications of using an image as a reference for a front view pose when the picture was taken from above.
Basically, I was using one image of one perspective and then while drawing pretending it’s another perspective, and then wondering why the perspective seems off. >n>
Iki looks like a hissing cat in the last panel :p
He looks so stressed and exasperated in that last panel, I love it <3 They're so expressive now, while remaining realistic.
also how shiny and wet their noses are ohmygod
RIP Nancy Reagan……..
Bloody shame she’s dead.
Yeah, I’m a huge Reagan fanboy, so I was heartbroken.
*puts finger to lips* shhhhhhhh just say no.
Was the wife of former President Reagan. She just passed.
Anyone see her funeral service? Looked very dignifying, though.
Didn’t get a chance too. 🙁
Check DA’s DDs, a beautiful off-white fanart is one of them~
I just wanted to let you guy’s know, That I used the Akinator app and he correctly guess Iki.
Iki is waay more mature now, I like that
i miss the old iki :c
That was ‘rough draft’ Iki. Just because he has some more personality doesn’t mean he won’t be the goofball we love. This draft of Iki has more dimension compared to the first. His personality is deeper, more than just ‘oh look, lemmings!’ The authors are showing something deeper than comic relief.
He’s more like a teenager now. Before he was acting like he was 6 months old not 2 years. But I still like the puppy side of him 😀
Adding onto what others here said, just a few pages ago Iki was diving through the snow to catch lemmings. He was being his good old goofball self until Jera showed up and got him into a sullen mood, so if anything, we still have the old Iki. He’s just been garnished with a little bit of angst.
I miss the old art style
*puts fingers to your lips* shhhhhhh shh sh sh…………..don’t lie to yourself……. (Also I may or may not have washed that hand)
I mean it, I really liked the old art style (not the really old one, the one od the middle chapters)
It’s more or less the same style…….
Take a look again, their anatomy was more accurate and the drawings were a little more simple but with better composition
When I said “it’s basically the same” I was talking about the first prototype chapters and the pages towards the middle”.
Also it’s wasn’t anatomically correct. Their faces were more like a bear, in fact they were a bit more stocky build than an actual wolf. So no, the anatomy wasn’t Correct.
What you mean with prototype? The chapter that is being redone?
Im talking about pages 100-150ish, anatomy seems more correct than the one they currently have, now they look kinda stylish
Okay, but around 150 wasn’t “old style”. 100 became more anatomically correct (and they still are anatomically correct with the current pages, because saying they aren’t makes no sense) but the coloring was still in it’s early to mid stages of it’s current style.
With old I meant the old style before the one they are currently using, not the first one 🙂
Okay but that’s not technically “old style”….
Technically any style they had used is the old style….
If there’s food on that hand, I ain’t complaining. XD
Just some dorito dust
Guys, Iki just really has to sneeze
PILOT! MEIN COMRADE!
Kamerad! The GMM is back!
In Germany we just say Freund. XD
His face looks a little weird in the last panel xD
He looks like he’s starting to tear up in the last panel. Despite the awkward angle, I like that little detail; it’s just one of those ways in which pent-up frustration tends to express itself.
You can definitely tell that the sudden life changes have had much more of an effect on Iki than they seemed to in the previous version 8V
gives ike some weed, to help him relax
Funny, I just read an article yesterday about cannabidiol (.03%) helping dogs with bad anxiety.
Did it say anything about using it to treat dogs with PTSD? Sounds like it could help short-term wise.
I don’t think it mentioned about PTSD… I’ll have to figure out what magazine I was looking at.
Don’t worry m8, it’s 4:20 somewhere. XD
Rook…… thank you
I do my best. XD
Not sure if anyone else has seen this, but it’s really fucking awesome.
Someone commissioned Clockwork Creature to make this mask based off of Sköll (with author’s permission) And it looks terrifying.
((Sorry, it made me verify my email then deleted the picture, so here it is))
clockwork dose some amazing suits but danm there expensive. thou they do put in a lot of detail and you get a life time guarantee.
Whoa, that looks amazing! I love the blue eyes and the blue markings. It looks so badass. <3 It's Sköll!
But dang it got the looks
aw poor iki…
looks like one of qarrezel’s suits she is the owner of clockwork creatures
perhaps is because the problem…is you?
If you wish to read the old Off-White comic since you miss the adorably cute Iki-san
I still never got what the emphasis on the eye was about in that page
No answer if we can only observe how Iki’s feelin on that situation
Too dramatize Iki’s emotions, I guess.
Just realized Jera has the same pose (maybe even expression? Barely discernable) as the new page, only facing the left now.
Gebo still the nervous floof that we knew.
there noses are most defiantly better in this form than the next page.
wow I really love the last panel
Some people are insisting that they “miss the old style” of the comic, but don’t seem to understand that the artists are redoing these pages because the old pages doesn’t feel fit to them. Their art style is evolving and improving, and the artists take the time to update these old pages, but people are still complaining? It seems kind of rude.
People are just getting a bit nostalgic, not trying to be rude at all 🙂
Even though they aren’t trying to be rude, it can come off a rude to an artist if someone complains about their improving art style. I’ve seen a few popular artists around YouTube explain that they take offense when people complain about their art styles evolving, as they work hard to improve only to get a lot of responses being complaints.
Personally I find art Evo incredibly interesting.
Yee, I really want to see Othala in the new style
I don’t necessarily see people commenting rudely. I see people noting about the old style but that’s not complaining.
If you’re talking about how some aren’t too fond of Iki’s expression then I can see that, but that’s not dissing the new style.
No, I’ve seen a few people say they rather the old style. Not just comments noting Iki’s expression or mentioning the old style. I’ve seen people actually saying they rather the old style/that they wish the comic wasn’t changing styles. :/
Oh well, you can’t please everybody
A wise commenter once said if you try to please everyone, (Group A wants only Z, Group B only wants X, you put both) you please no one.
it happens with all remakes. just imagine any remake of a movie.
“the original was better!! they over filled it with CGI!! this character is nothing like there original version!! blah blah!!”
its kinda to be expected. =]
The second line reminds me of the Star Wars remakes. “Curse you Lucas for all your damn CGI!” XD
Everything seems better when viewed through the rose colored shades of nostalgia. XD
Ja but with Off White that “old style” was more of a prototype. The artists even stated they didn’t know how it would go. Plus the new or I should say the current semi realism is far more clean and professional I’m sure you agree. Plus I speak from experience. :3
For example i played Pokemon Leafgreen/Firered/Silver/Gold/Ruby/Sapphire and Emerald because all of the story version are way too original and awesome monster but when the new version came up like Unova, Platinum and other ridiculous version. I was like “ugh the old version was way better than the new”. Improving and changing things will lose all the interest of the people if you carefully make a good plan same as the Storyline of the Off-White. Like this pokemon, nothin change no original
Rather this pokemon had THE original looks cause i prefer the old storyline
When Pokémon releases new derpy-looking, cutesy, simplistic animals followed by pokemon that look like garbage and keys, then you know it’s time for the show and games to be cancelled. I’m sure some fanatics will have my head now.
This guy looks like a Schnauzer with a violet-blue blanket. (Arcanine is awesome!)
OFF-WHITE is done by three people.
Hahaha nah I’m pretty sure all of us Pokemon fans believe that the freaking key Pokemon was a really dumb idea.
Personally I prefer the old style to the new one, but I’m still okay with it (very simplistic, but not always a bad thing)
Klefki’s actually pretty damn creative. No one would expect a ring of keys to be a Pokemon, so its design is rather fitting.
Pokemon designs in older gens were never that much different from current ones. The only reason any one of them would look stupid is individual personal preference and if someone’s blinded by the rosy tint of their nostalgia goggles.
Perhaps I worded it strangely. I did not mean to come off as a super “first gen is best” type of person, honestly I grew up with 4th gen and up so what do I know about nostalgia lol (no offense to those who grew up first gen and up). Personally I do see a change in style of how these Pokemon are drawn from the previous gens, so that was what I was mainly referring to.
Not gonna lie, Klefki does have a really creative design to it. I just personally don’t like it as it just doesn’t make sense to me lol (I mean, if it was ghost-steel then yeah it makes sense but its steel-fairy so…yeah XD)
Klefki didn’t make much sense to me at first either. I had to dig into fairytales and mythology to get why they chose the fairy typing instead of ghost.
And it’s fine. I wasn’t referring to you or anyone here when mentioning older gens, just that some people who are like that are real extreme about it.
In Pokemon design, there will always be hits and misses and, in recent gens, there have been more misses. That being said, even gen 1 had “derpy-looking [and] … simplistic” Pokemon.
‘Derpy Looking Simplistic Animals’ and ‘Garbage’ are basically MOTS with the series. You can pluck numerous Pokemon in those categories from every Gen.
Reason why newer gens are easier to hate is bc people accustomed to the series get erroneously offended at the designs and feel they could come up with better ideas – which, while some can, most would not.
I’m going to strongly disagree with you in pretty much everything. There have always been shitty pokemon, and if you actually looked at the newer pokemon you would see that they’re still making badass species; unless you’re not into the series in general
Tyrantrum 4ever AMIRITE
Talonflame’s pretty cool too
Pumpkaboo is my absolute favorite from Kalos. I love it so much.
I stopped watching after Diamond and Pearl. Story just felt old, and I wasn’t big on the new pokemon after it.
I wasn’t big on Unova’s Pokemon, mainly because the designs had a completely different atmosphere compared to the other games, but after a while they eventually meshed in, though it’s not hard to identify a Unova Pokemon for me, even if it’s the region I’m most unfamiliar with. They just have a weird vibe to them that the other designs don’t have.
Kalos’ Pokemon are pretty cool…the game plot is absolutely abysmal though. Real shame.
I find that Pokemon species have always been hit and miss from an aesthetics perspective. A lot of first generation Pokemon weird me out or just don’t look interesting, but conversely there are also first generation Pokemon that I really love (Arcanine, Ninetails, Jolteon- I’m looking at you). The same applies to even the most recent generations, really. I might not like Pokemon like Trubbish, but Noivern and Joltik are intensely cool.
Yeah, THIS is a REAL pokemon!
My favorite Pokemon of all time and i name her Nicki Minaj XD
Ah, first I remember (and only time) was when she was being Santa. Just came in and stole an action figure but dropped off nutin. XD
I may miss the old art but I really love the new art as well.
Face markings like that have been around for years, well before off white. Even my own characters had tribal markings like that. Blue eyes are also pretty common. I doubt you need permission to do face markings, when it’s not anything like the one in off white. Just google “tribal face markings” or “tribal face markings wolves” and you’ll come up with tuns of examples.
I’m actually having difficulty finding many face markings. (Mostly body)
Then again, I haven’t had the chance to scroll too much.
*bleaches eyes, then brain, then self*
I thought there’d be at least 10 Iki memes by now. That face is just gold.
If he becomes emotional enough, he just might literally cry rivers.
He did when Jera tried to ruin his chances with Kaya.
WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS DOING THIS TO ME
what!! i can no longer view off white at school because off-white.eu has been categorized as a gaming website by the state of California! WHAT IS THIS BLASPHEMY!!
Is it K9 Website Protection that is blocking your access in school?
Ah, yes, K9 Website Protection is so damn dogged when it comes to blocking websites …
Is that meant to be a pun.
What?? …. No way!! I think you’re … barking up the wrong tree …
*runs and hides*
Same feelin and i hate those who put the list of my favorite Website
i think so ya.
That Program would be a painful in your ass if you really want to stream on Off-White and i think the only thing you need to hack/crack and change or undo the list is a Computer or Laptop so that you can access the server and change all the things.
its not just the computers it, its the school server thats blocking the website. its not worth the trouble really. its just annoying and a bit strange that they know about off-white and would block it for gaming content.
Haha. Good luck.
Well, rules are rules in your school policy
I remember back in high school the server firewall blocked some websites that we actually had to go to for information to cite on some essay papers.
I didn’t have internet back then and would have to walk through the snow and slush to the public library to access it. It was absolutely terrible.
i can even access my own email or some of the teachers websites from some school computers because g-mail is blocked.
Sounds more like prison than school.
Sigh, I remember those days. :/
At least you don’t have GEMA. (Germany) that doesn’t allow you to watch certain YouTube material like music videos. Well you obviously got on here through what a lap top? So just use that outlet from now on.
The US has that kind of issue too, actually. Certain videos on youtube from certain countries aren’t playable, usually music videos, coincidentally.
Haha! Good. Romania has some fucked up ideologies.
arent the Austrians like really into shrimp or something now.
No one is into Shrimp more than me.
Well, once upon a red flag they were Communist (and still are).
just from my home computer
It has to do with where the video contents are protected under law. Usually video restrictions happen because the music/video feed/content isn’t copyrighted in that country, so they can’t legally protect it there. It does suck, though. I get tired of running into location restrictions, too.
In my high school, we would play Halo Combat Evolved during class. XD
I have club every Tuesday where we play that for an hour. XD (it’s technically a club for maintaining school websites)
Once my teacher mentioned work…. Half left.
Lol. We were just lazy and our teacher didn’t care. It wasn’t a specific club. XD
at my high school we get to play with commercial industrial equipment and high voltage.
Damn. They would never trust us with such tools. We barely had any basic shop equipment, and one of our students still managed to cut the tip of his thumb off. XD
Awww, everything is better now! Iki likes butterflies 🙂
this is terrifying
The next generation of horror
What an adorable face! <3
DO YOU BELIEVE IN MAGIC
This…this is wonderful.
spoiler alert that’s the white spirit butterfly and it and it’s counterpart have the power to destroy the realm
they were the real main characters all along
now change that butterfly to a lemming
So many adopted jokes. I hope no one viewing this comic wants to sear our head with iron that is adopted.
The archive page isn’t updated to include this page 🙁 if my daughter hadn’t been playing with my computer, I never would have noticed a new page had been posted.
Beautiful is all I can say. The new art style is gorgeous and the more in-depth expressions and character development is greatly appreciated.
Hallo Leute, it is I former Maxim Wolf. I made a new brief account because I need some discussion to satisfy my hunger for far away conversation. In other words I am temporarily back.
Lol. Best part about mobile is……..I can switch between my languages more easily.
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! your back *hugs* :3
Good to see ya Maxi (▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿)
MAXIM ONG <3
ITS MAXIM OMG EVERYONE BRING OUT THE PAARTAAY <3
Woooohooooooo!!!!!! Bier and Tropical alcoholic drinks all around!
I’ll get Jimmy Buffet on the phone, we all gonna have a good time!
Lol. If you want a real party, I recommend going to a Chanukkah party. 1 hour 2
30 minutes will feel like 15 minutes to you. It is the manna of the Soul. לול.
i guess its been about a year since we talked last, hows the bf doing?
Ugh..*hurl*…..son of bitch is dating a downgrade Mexican version of myself. Don’t let me talk about it, I really fucking hate this girl (bitch took everything from me) And ja, I’m learning modern Hebrew so I can move to Israel where its warmer, sunny, a full of badasses. Also I’m kinda establishing my manga there…….because reasons.
“And it’s full of badasses.” Anyone who has balls to stand up to larger enemies is badass. I didn’t know Germany was besties with Israel. (Fuck America for it’s lack of support). And lastly: MEIN FÜRHER IST HIER!
Well it’s Obama who’s screwing our relationship with Israel. We’ve had a good relationship with them, but he’s pissing all over it.
I feel so bad for you.
ya i do know a bit what that like, the girl i liked and hung out with for the past 3 years decided she didn’t like me and chose somebody else. still i don’t know i would want to move a country in the middle east, on the fringe of being invaded by a bunch of psychopaths from the surrounding desert to find somebody else.
Oh ye of little faith. Don’t you know that the Jews always win? *saddles Jewish Gebo* Qadimah Bitches!!!! *flies away on Jewish Gebo*
is that actually you in the pic maxim?
So what did I miss? What new debate about Iki’s face is there?
Okay so I’m fairly certain of the gist is going on here. Moat of you know as well but some of you are still in the dark. Allow me to have a go:
So some are surprised (whether you care to admit it or not) about the “drastic change” in Iki’s character. One! First get into your head that the old pages were prototypes for not just the art but for plot and character development a well. This “new Iki” is the actual Iki to help further develop plot. That’s one of the key purposes of character dialogue. So embrace fluffy angst faced Iki and Onwards! >8D קדימה!
(BT dubs , I also know this because I’m a graphic novelist on the side, si I have gone through the same process) 😉
Awwwww Iki looks kinda like my cat when I pet his head. But I do have a question for the authors Where is Iki’s right canine tooth for the last panel? It just seems like it should be exposed a bit to balance out the anatomy and the expression?
He lost it. He lost his tooth.
That’s what you get for picking a fight with a Lemming.
Lol gauss i should have read down more
Lemming stole it thats why he was hunting them
*listens to Eisbrecher while rereading Off White* …doo do do du ein Herz aus Eis….in deinen Ven…..
Brussels is under lockdown. Several explosions occured around the airport and subway. Can’t something just go right after a terrorist is captured? My sympathies for the people of Brussels.
Actually, their numbers are decreasing significantly. Plus Belgium should have seen this coming; they’ve had one of the largest number of refugee immigrations since 1991. Especially with the brainless liberal shit going on now, of course any real refugee groups are going to be infiltrated. And no, Europe (admin) probably won’t do anything (useful), because no one if not very few knows shit anymore. But ja, don’t worry about it ISIL. They’re already dead. Just don’t worry about it.
It’s difficult for me not to think about it.
I know it’s not as simple as pulling up ISIL demographics to simply look at their numbers, but my intel is 100% reliable. Trust me at least on that.
Also, don’t think about rolly polly kittens……
Europe’s problems relating to terrorism and refugees stem from their inability to distinguish between the two. They can’t screen incoming refugees the way we can in North America, and their programs for integrating refugees into the native population aren’t adequate for the sheer number of people they’re receiving.
So while you’re right that some of this could have been predicted, I don’t agree with the way you’ve expressed it. There are still innocent people mixed up in all of this, and I don’t think it’s fair to forget that. The only ones at fault for terrorism are the terrorists (including the people who foot the bill). We can only do our best to protect and support each other, because that’s what we deserve as human beings.
EDIT: Holy shiznitch! Maxim? I thought I recognized your writing style! Haha, it’s good to see you outside of dA, friend. I’ve been keeping up to date with your art feed and it’s just looking better with every update. I hope you’re doing well! c:
I say, as long as one has exceptional security and a even better mind, It’s not THAT difficult to judge between the two.
Also, Thank you. 🙂
The sheer number of people crossing European borders might make that difficult, especially since it’s normally quite easy to go between countries there. I’m not from Europe, though, so I can only go off of what I’m told (take my thoughts with a grain of salt). I just hope for the best.
Hope can only get you started, the rest that carries you is your level of faith.
Then have faith. There are good people in this world- I’d be willing to put my faith in that.
Even people will fail you.
Perhaps, perhaps not. You said it yourself that a little structure and authority can help to sort out the innocent people who need us. We’re not incapable of that, on a societal level. There just needs to be a stronger push for it to happen.
Or some type of unification.
I don’t think there really is much Europe could do against ISIS directly that they aren’t already doing. Wars aren’t cheap. Not that they would want to either. It might seem crazy coming from me, as you well know, I am a very bombastic, kill ’em all and let God sort em’ out kind of guy, who would love to see the armored fist of the U.S. military crush ISIS, but I think Europe and the U.S. getting too heavily committed on the ground would be a mistake….Especially in Iraq. The fragile “coalition” of militias and government forces fighting ISIS aren’t necessarily the most solid and cohesive of units. A large portion of the force are Iranian proxy groups that not even 4 years ago were fighting against the U.S. during the occupation. If we roll in with the full force, ISIS might be destroyed, but it will reignite the sectarian strife that allowed ISIS to rise in the first place. And Syria? That whole place is a massive clusterf*ck. We wouldn’t be able to intervene effectively without coming into conflict with Assad and risking further escalation. Armed intervention may be necessary to save Libya and other nations, but Iraq and Syria will probably have to sort themselves out. Sadly, these terror attacks are going to have to be something we adjust to and prepare for in the foreseeable future… A sad fact of life.
We shouldn’t have pulled out of Iraq to begin with. None of this would have been happening.
Also, Germany now a days prefers not to get involved in anything considered “big”. We’re not Switzerland but we view risk over reward A LOT. Plus basing my experience off history, once ISIS has been Finally wiped out, you have Hezbollah, Hamas the PA etc to get rid of, and who is to say something worse will not take their places?
Yeah, we have large portions of people of all ethnicity and creed. We are kind of like a scale model of the whole world. It’s just a matter of integration I suppose. It seems Europe has had a much harder time integrating the Muslim populations than America has, for whatever reason. I assume it probably has something to do with the fact that American pop culture is so well known, the circumstances under which they came and the fact that it’s much harder to get into the U.S. than Europe.
Yeah, there is always a “bigger fish” so to speak. Its a viscous cycle of hate and death. Ultimately, the people of those countries will have to work it out.
Sadly, hearts don’t change. They only get burnt out in futility or consume themselves in the flame of passion.
If hearts don’t change then how was I able to save the life of another person?
Hearts do change.
It’s that thinking will keep a country from becoming a total desolate place of death.
Speaking of Libya, I’ve always wondered what happened after the U.S took out Qaddafi… Did they just leave them without a government like Iraq? :s
I mean, dictatorships are bad, but without a government, you have bad things running around and chaos all around with nothing to keep em in check.
Well, we didn’t really take out Gaddafi directly. It wasn’t like Saddam or Bin Laden. We definitely enabled his demise by removing Gaddafi’s air power and providing intelligence to direct the rebel and NATO attacks, For example the attack on his convoy that prevented his escape was carried out by a US predator drone and French Rafales, with information given (rather ironically) By Bashar Al Assad. Ultimately though, he was killed by his own people. Rather brutally at that.
The immediate government of Libya, the National Transitional Council (NTC) that had been formed and coordinated during the opening days of the Rebellion became Libya’s government. Unfortunately, As is typical of Revolution, divisions grew within the new government. Compounded with the failure of the Libyan government to properly disarm the militias that had fought in the Civil War, The creeping Jihadist force growing inside (that ultimately became known as ISIS) and the U.S.’s departure from the Libyan political scene following the assassination of Ambassador Stevens, the country collapsed into a second and ongoing civil war.
We didn’t leave Iraq without a governmen either though Tak. We actually left them with a damn good setup. Fresh weaponry, a restructured military, billions of dollars in infrastructure and a realtively safe country. By the time we pulled out, it was more dangerous for an American soldier to walk down the streets of Chicago than it was to walk down a Baghdad street. Unfortunately, once the U.S. military left and the Iraqi government was left to it’s own devices, they fell almost immediately into self destruction. Their prime minister, Nouri al Malaki, now fearing for his own personal hold on power since he was no longer protected by the U.S. did what all desperate leaders do to consolidate power: He purged the government and military. He replaced the entire efficient and structured military apparatus the U.S. left for them and replaced them with people loyal to him. People who didn’t have the skills to be effective. People who turned tail and ran at the first sight of ISIS. Intense bureaucracy and corruption crippled the country. One of the main original draws for the Iraqi people to the Islamic State was that ISIS actually administered the areas they captured better than the government. They opened and operated hospitals, government buildings, schools, etc. Much better than the Iraqi government. They even kept a steady flow of electricity to the cities. The corruption is so bad, that the U.S. had to personally intervene and force the Iraqi government to repair the Mosul dam, because it was going to collapse and kill or displace upwards of a million people, the Iraqi’s knew about it and planned to do nothing. Just let it collapse.
Oh ja, I just remembered he was killed by his own people. They found him hiding in like… A hole of some kind? I heard it became… Gruesome. :s
Yeah, they pulled him out of a storm drain that he was hiding in. He was pretty defenseless because he had been gravely wounded by a grenade that one of his bodyguards had thrown, but accidentally bounced back towards them after it hit a concrete divider. They stripped him down to his waist, dragged him through the streets beating him mercilessly, pulling his hair and apparently sodomizing him with a bayonet. Then they shot him a bunch of times, striped him naked and drug him behind a car. It was pretty horrible end… but he was a horrible man. If you want to see it for yourself, they filmed nearly the entire thing and uploaded it to YouTube. To give you fair warning, it’s obviously pretty graphic.
I agree wars are expensive. They cost lives and money. But we’ll spend more unless the threat is neutralized as quickly as possible. There is only so much that can be done with air strikes. Meanwhile, you have militias and Ill-equipped armies like the Kurds that are using outdated equipment from the Cold War period with limited ammo, waiting for U.S. support. They’re just trying to preserve themselves.
As for the sectarian strife…honestly, I don’t think it will ever end. That’s the problem with terrorist groups feuled by an ideology. They crop up like weeds. I Don’t even think the sectarian strife will end until radical Islam is blotted out. Still, I do not believe that we should not engage and enemy directly just because it could potentially damage a loose alliance. That’s always been a problem throughout history. Unless there is a way to keep these loose coalitions remainded bonded after the conflict…
I’d rather let Syria figure itself out. When it comes to rebuilding countries-we always get it wrong. Democracy doesn’t guarantee freedom-never has. Vote bad guy 1 or bad guy 2 Into office, voters! I would argue ‘Democeacy’ is another problem in tbe world. Instead of Democracu, I think we should Iinfluence the people and intellectuals of these nations influenceto create a constitutional Republic-putting chains on their governments. It would help with government corruption.
Believe it or not, we have been supplying weapons for the Kurds to use since the beginning. Sadly, because they are still part of Iraq, we have to send it through the central Iraqi government. The Iraqi government is so corrupt, that almost none of the weapons actually make it to the Kurds.
I agree with you. But in order to do that, we should have maintained our forces in Iraq. At this point, if we reenter, we will have to start over from scratch. It will be 2003 all over again.
Democracy is never pretty at first. Especially when it comes from revolution. It is the very nature of revolution to be volatile. Not only for the Middle East, but for every democratic country. The first democracy, Athens was wiped out in the Peloponnesian Wars. The Roman Republic was marked with numerous triumvirates. The U.S. battled many quasi wars and uprisings in the aftermath of the revolution, all of which set the stage for the later American Civil War. The French Revolution started a republic, then literally became a slaughter fest, a dictatorship, a republic again, an empire, a monarchy, another empire, then yet another monarchy before becoming a true democracy. The Wiemar republic suffered numerous revolts, then became a Fascist Nazi power house, before becoming Germany, Even South Korea’s democracy began as a pseudo dictatorship with a lower living standard then the communist North before becoming the country it is today. All these things preceded the stable democracy that we have in these countries now. It is beyond doubt that Democracy is the only way forward. With out it, the people will eventually boil over into rebellion. It’s simply just a matter of some countries not being ready yet.
Thought I’d share my speed concept while everyone’s waiting.
Ooooh pretty. I like it. Just one question: is this with a tablet or a mouse?
Tablet. I just use the Huion 610 Pro.
That Circle part make me cringe and laugh. Like you were making a perfect circle without using helping tools but still, nice art
Dude, that’s my favorite part.
It is a superior species of circle. XD
Yes, Uberus Roundus
that is an epic looking ship. you should get a 3D printing of it and do tests to see if it would be a feasible design
That looks swag as hell man!
Hey, is it me or there wasn’t a page on deviant art to announce this one? ‘^’
nope, dont think there was. they seemed to miss the last page too. not sure if they fixed that.
There was becuase I remember saving it to my favourites.
Are you sure? The last page I saw on deviant art is the page 23, to announce the page 24. But there wasn’t a page 24 on DA to announce the 25th.. I watched the three creators and there is no page 24 on DA.
Which accounts did you check?
The 3 creators, Vesner, Akreon and Jessi
What about the Off White group on dA?
I didn’t know there was a group, but I looked and there is no page 24
Rook also made a fan club for Archbishop Fab.
Indeed. More Fab fan art is needed.
Huh…. That is odd.
They seem to announce the page when the new one is done such as the 24th was released when the 25th was uploaded to this website
I didn’t see any page 24 on DA 😡 The last page on DA is the 23th
U.S. Spec. Ops. killed an Isis 2nd-in-command. Best news I’ve had all day. *passes out bier*
Told you their numbers are decreasing.
You’re welcome. For supplying the Bier.
What’s your opinion on the E.U.? What’s it trying to accomplish? An Austrian told me it was another experiment by Germany. As a Yank, it sounds like a copy of the U.S.?
Well that’s a question I haven’t been asked in a long time. I’ve been researching more on America and Israeli politics so some of my info on the E.U. isn’t up to date. In fact, I’ve been so focused on those for the Trilogy and my own personal business, that I almost forgot it existed. Yes, one of the founders of the EU is Germany and that was wayyyy before I or my parents were born, though the main founder is Belgium. I’m not 100% sure what that Austrian guy means by “another” experiment.
Don’t really have much of opinion on them. I’m not exactly fond of the leadership skills though. Also even though Germany is apart of the EU, I don’t consider myself as an individual to be apart of it.
When justice has been done, I say give the men some whiskey, and give the beer to the horses. 😉
good song and funny movie
for anyone who is like “angst iki is not fun”
and he even has a missing tooth
that attention to detail my friend XD
spring time iki!
It’s beautiful!!!! 8’D *cries*
this reminds me so much of like a little kid who lost his first tooth and hes so happy about the tooth fairy coming to visit him later. X3
pretty butterfly *hic* (Insert drunk iki animation NOW!!!!)
That’s almost scary gay. But I like Iki when he’s gay. One of the gayest characters in the comic.
Hey guys it’s me Nyssa. Finally got a Disqus account rather than using my Facebook on here. :3 How are things?
Drinking interwebz bier and talking about stuffs.
Also starving to death. 😀
Shhhhhh have some more Bier. *tips Stein down throat*
German sterotype #114: when war fails, resort to bier to end conflicts. 😉
Ja we try not to get into wars these days. Yet were still shameless as fuck. (Most of us)
My existence depends on new pages of Off-White for sustenance
We need a Dead Pool Hati!
there still there. Jessie im sure is dealing with mid terms and arkon and vesner are probably working on a new video game
*shines a light at you*
Still can’t see shit, blackest material on Earth
I can see the absence of light. :3
Emitting un-light haha
The light is a lie…
Oh golly you just reminded me of SoldierBob’s comic of our thread on lies being light and wavy lights and whatnot. XD
I just thought of something.. What would Fenrir look like if he were in this comic?? Omg I bet he’d look awesome. I hope they put him in it in the future, or at least make a piece of art with him. That’d be awesome, to see him in Off-White’s style. 😮
i don’t think fenrir actually exists in this world since the spirits split from one form.
so technically the “fenrir” in this comic was seen in the intro as the blue/ red veinish wolf.
Well he WAS mentioned a few times in the comic..
I feel like interpretation can go any way, but seeing as the black and white spirits split apart from a single being of each of their species (as illustrated on this page, what with the rabbit dividing into 2), I kind of like the idea that the wolf that came out of the sea with man was Fenrir, but then split into Hati and Skoll, and ceased existing as an individual since his essence was basically split evenly between the siblings (explaining Skoll and Hati’s very different yet also similar personalities).
So basically, Fenrir in this comic would be the halfsplit blue/red wolf that emerged with the other species out of the ocean, and then became apart into Hati and Skoll when he split apart, basically becoming a sort of ‘origin story’ figure for wolves as a species and a theoretical ‘father’ of Hati and Skoll, much like how gods in various mythologies have unorthodox origins.
So technically he’s kinda a character but kinda isn’t, and at the time period the comic follows, it’s been so many centuries that he’s no different than a cultural name for wolves as a species and used to punctuate emotion into a statement, kinda like how phrases like ‘for the love of god[s]’ etc are used in modern society today.
An example of such usage of Fenrir’s name is found in Jera’s exasperation with Iki on page 145
That and when Iki/Skoll attempts to burn Hati to death, his rune-dialogue actually reads “Burn in my flames, Hati son-of-Fenrir.” Considering what lore we’ve learned, I completely agree with your theory that this was the name for the first wolf to emerge from the sea.
Oh.. Hm… I just thought it’d have been cool to see a full picture of him in their style. I mean, aside from the little brief pic of him in the prologue… Ya know?
actual canon design right here can confirm
well its been 4 weeks since last update. … sooo iam going to shamefully self advertise my new and first comic.
horror, adventure, mystery
A young man named Simon is swamped in dept and owing big to a gang is
desperate for quick and large cash. luck would find him one day in a
news paper ad offering the high pay he needs.
“caretaker wanted for house of often away owner”
Simon, desperate had accepted the job, meeting a very strange owner with even stranger rules.
1 make sure all the doors are closed.
2 make sure everything stays were it should be.
3 don’t go out at night.
4 your room is always safe.
5 don’t go in to the basement
6 and NEVER go into the attic.
more he learns that the owner has “exotic animals.” soon Simon will
learn though that he didint mean lizards or snakes. and that he should
have rethought the news ads fine print.
“SAFETY NOT GUARANTEED”
okay, ill shamefully go now. :>
Ben Stiller as Simon. …….What? Did anyone else not pick up the Night at the Museum vibe?
yeah it really does have that feel. i try to break that a bit around chap 5 and 6. X3
I felt the vibe.
my comic updates regularly every Friday. so new post tomorrow. :>
For some reason, this page is still not displaying on the archive page 🙁
They probably haven’t had the time to update it.
why am i reminder of this song when i think of skoll/iki (tell me im not the only one)
Then make an Off White mv with that song.
well i guess i best get to trying to do one (Still learning to animate :P)
You can just creatively make a pretty compilation of the comic pages while focuses on uniting the theme of Iki/Sköll with the song. You’ll need software but it isn’t THAT hard. 🙂
Damn it i have been up till sometime almost 4 in the morning working on some of those shots for it
and i can’t go full detail so here is a pic of a couple of the parts in it (can’t be bothered to load anymore ;P 2 tired post them on deviant art later)
What program are you using?
I used photoshop to make the pictures and I think I might use movie maker for the actual amv part don’t really know any others for beginning
Just take the panals/scense from the comic and put them to sequence in Movie Maker.
I dunno about you guys, but I was hoping for another “everyone died” page for April Fools xD
Well jokes on you. April Fools!
Can someone tell me the name of the song in the fan-made video “Off-white opening” ?Thanks
i found one vid called “off-white opening – tank”. if its the correct one then the opening song is Tank by The Seatbelts
Which clashes like hell with the Off White them XD
There’s Tomoni by KOKIA which was used as an opening of sorts for Off-White, if that’s what you mean. Here’s the youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a56jyr8wAbI
Ah yes Youtube back at it again with the “This Video is Not Available in Your Country” shenanigans
The desperation in his eyes o.o